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[QUOTE=JohnAbercrombie] We should take this discussion to the 'Off Topic' area if we want to continue.
Sorry I got folks off track!
Back to making money...

John
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Hey. Great idea.

You take MY post off track, now YOU think we should take it to the off topics section.

I simply tried to pass on some info that I thought everyone would be interested in and maybe even excited about.

but you seemed to have killed that. Good job.

Brock Poling39058.6402430556

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Brock Poling
Columbus, Ohio
http://www.polingguitars.com

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OLD MAN formerly (and formally) known as:

Ron Wisdom

Somewhere in the middle of Arkansas......

Brock:
By 'This discussion' I meant any further debate on economics, value for time, values etc. etc. That belongs in a separate discussion -off lutherie topic.

You and Lance are running the show here, and I certainly wasn't suggesting that your topic (Learn INLAY from GRIT LASKIN!!) belonged anywhere except in the Main Discussion Forum.
John

I think what JohnAbercrombie meant was that the discussion on class price would be better served to be moved to another forum, and not the announcement itself of the inlay class posting... At least that's the way I read it.

It's a given that the members here come from all parts of the personal income spectrum, from extremely low to very high. I tend to be in the lower category, and saving money on tools and materials is something I have to consider when doing my guitar building thing. Discussion of cost and pricing, etc. is a valid subject. Some other luthiers forums prohibit discussion of certain costs and prices and that's a mighty big reason I prefer this one.

I hope we will still be allowed to post our opinions, no matter if it's regarding costly tools sold by sponsor StewMac, or costly classes given by an expert luthier.

My Bachelor's cost about $150k, most covered by scholarships thankfully.      

If you aspire to be a professional, classes like these do nothing but
increase you by leaps and bounds. That's an asset, not a liability. If I
wanted to be a professional luthier, I wouldn't think twice about taking
Ervin's voicing seminar. I'm not big on inlay, so I probably wouldn't go to
this. If I were, I wouldn't think twice about it. I wouldn't think twice
about working two jobs so I could apprentice under an established
luthier.      

I wish we wouldn't value education so low. Breaking this down by the day
indicates thinking about it in terms of what the day is worth. You're not
paying for that day; you're paying for what that day will leave with you for
the rest of your life.

It's an expensive education, but if that's what one wants, one should go for it.     I agree with Brock that if the market will pay your asking price, then you are not over charging.

OTOH, at $500 a day, that bachelor's degree would have cost about $350K, assuming it was earned in four years. So the class is very expensive to most of us. Is it worth it? To some people it is. That's OK with me.

Ron

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OLD MAN formerly (and formally) known as:

Ron Wisdom

Somewhere in the middle of Arkansas......

If you were getting the same info an hour a week over the course of a
year, would seem as high priced? I don't believe anyone who's thinking
they're paying for something by the day is going to want to do this.
Those who believe they're paying for what they'll learn probably will.

I think Grit is an absolutely amazing artist, but I also think it's pretty
overpriced too. If he can get away with it, sure I guess it's great; it just
seems a bit greedy. I really dislike the Picasso story too, no offense
Brock. Anyone who would actually do that is an arrogant jerk, imho. No
doubt that Picasso and Laskin both put in a "lifetime" worth of work into
perfecting their craft, but they were also blessed with quite a bit of luck
(in many aspects), and certainly couldn't have gotten where they did
without the help of others. Grit is immensly talented, and a huge part of
that is simply that he was lucky enough to be born talented. 999 out of
1000 people could put exactly the same amount of time and effort
intobecoming an inlay artist and never even come close to him. Does that
entitle him to x amount of dollars per hour? I don't think so, but
obviously others disagree and will fork it over! Don't think for a minute I
wouldn't want to learn from the master either.

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Mike

"The Dude abides. I don't know about you but I take comfort in that. It's good knowin' he's out there. The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners. Shoosh." The Stranger

     I don't have a hope in H-E double hockey sticks of going to the inlay class, but I sure like hearing about it!
     I hope you keep putting up this kind of info Brock, I appreciate it! I think many do! Thanks!


    These kind of guys like Grit are in a class all their own,(so to speak )! I wonder how much that Picasso would be worth today?

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Billy Dean Thomas
Covina, CA

"Multi famam, conscientiam, pauci verentur."
(Many fear their reputation, few their conscience)

ditto

What Billy T said

Mike